current informix white papers ?

My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has the latest and greatest in HA software.
I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site seems to have some very dated stuff.
Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?

Thanks,
floyd

Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
> the latest and greatest in HA software.
> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site
> seems to have some very dated stuff.
> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?

Floyd,

I would suggest that you join the open beta for Cheetah2. There is new
functionality in Cheetah2 which will significantly improve the
availability story for IDS.

Here is the web site to join the Cheetah2 open beta program.

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data...open-beta.html

>
> Thanks,
> floyd
>

Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
> the latest and greatest in HA software.
> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site
> seems to have some very dated stuff.
> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>
> Thanks,
> floyd

Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
a similar capability. C'est dommage.

I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan-at-x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

DA Morgan said:
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site
>> seems to have some very dated stuff.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>
> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
> a similar capability. C'est dommage.
>
> I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
> are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.

Yes, you'd clearly be much better off with a highly scalable, easy to
implement solution like Oracle RAC.

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"DA Morgan" wrote in message
news:1204271577.683072-at-bubbleator.drizzle.com...
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has the
>> latest and greatest in HA software.
>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site
>> seems to have some very dated stuff.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>
> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
> a similar capability. C'est dommage.
>
> I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
> are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.

Well that's not true, is it? Informix does already have powerful, viable,
proven technology for High-Availability (Informix HDR for example). However
it is true to say that this solution is not yet, in pre-v11 releases,
"distributed" in the way that Oracle RAC is.

I do agree with Daniel's comments that one wouldn't be wanting to look at a
beta version of *any* product for HA required right now.

DA Morgan wrote:
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's
>> site seems to have some very dated stuff.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>
> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
> a similar capability. C'est dommage.
>
> I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
> are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.
DA - you missed my point. I guess that's expected from you since you
have repeatedly demonstrated a rather feeble intellect.

Floyd already mentioned that he knew Cheetah (the previous release) had
a lot of new HA capacity. Also several folks had already pointed out
links to current white papers. I suggested that he also look at the beta
for the upcoming release because it has a whole bunch of additional HA
functionality and he was asking for information on new IDS HA functionality.

DA Morgan wrote:
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>
> I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
> are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.

I guess I should be so hard on you Dan - after all I'm kind and gentle
to dumb animals. Also you have given me the opportunity to mention the
Cheetah2 open beta again.

For anyone that is interested, the site to join the Cheetah2 open beta
is at http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data...open-beta.html

DA Morgan wrote:
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's
>> site seems to have some very dated stuff.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>
> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
> a similar capability. C'est dommage.

Can you explain us why?...
Oh... and do not forget the OP motivation... High availability...

Thanks.

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

DA Morgan wrote:
> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>
>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's site
>> seems to have some very dated stuff.
>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> floyd
>>
>
> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
> a similar capability. C'est dommage.
>
> I especially like Madison's response to you: Get into the beta. If you
> are looking for an HA solution ... beta ... and version 1 are not it.
>
This brief rant would be sad if you even had an inkling about what you
are writing about. If I didn't actually suspect that you were a shill
for IBM IMS rather than for the fat O, I wouldn't bother to respond.
Even so, I normally don't.

First, you are correct, as currently released IDS does not have all of
the functionality of Oracle's RAC. Personally I don't see that as any
loss as I don't see clusters as any kind of HA solution at all. If
something takes out my data center RAC is not going to save the
business. At best cluster failover is a PART of an HA solution and the
only useful thing that RAC provides on top of that is some load
balancing possibly less expensive capacity upgrade. Though if the thing
actually scaled well that part would work SO much better.

However, putting all of that aside, as Madison said, check out the IDS
Cheetah2 Beta on that front. IDS doesn't make coffee either, something
far more important and close to my heart than RAC! But then it's not
meant to make coffee. What it does provide, with HDR, ER, SDSS, and RSS
- the whole MACH11 suite - is a comprehensive set of solutions to
provide TRUE HA and not just high availability but constant availability
and infinitely configurable and dynamic load balancing. And IDS does
this BETTER than any alternative technology. Cheetah2 extends that as,
likely, will Cheetah3 when it comes along.

Now, Morgan, please, lose the address of this newsgroup.

Art S. Kagel
Oninit



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Fernando Nunes wrote:
> DA Morgan wrote:
>
>> Floyd Wellershaus wrote:
>>
>>> My company is seriously thinking of going to Oracle and using
>>> RAC/DataGuard for their high availability solution.
>>> I know Informix can compete with this, as I'm pretty sure Cheetah has
>>> the latest and greatest in HA software.
>>> I am unable however to find some decent white papers on this. IBM's
>>> site seems to have some very dated stuff.
>>> Does anyone know where I can get some good and current sales/technical
>>> type literature for the latest and greatest features of IDS ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> floyd
>>>
>> Actually Informix can not compete with this and has no technology with
>> a similar capability. C'est dommage.
>>
>
> Can you explain us why?...
> Oh... and do not forget the OP motivation... High availability...
>
>
Daniel's pointing to the fact that IDS 11.10's MACH11 technology
implementation provides only READ-ONLY service from the SDS
secondaries. Other than that, a dubious advantage since using RAC
secondaries in read-write configurations reduces the cluster's
scalability significantly, there's nothing useful in RAC that's not in
MACH11.

Art S. Kagel
Oninit




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