Riddle me this...

"Ian Michael Gumby" wrote in message
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> On Jul 4, 4:57 pm, scottishpoet wrote:
>> So K-Sears, as a major retailer, has multiple RDBMS?
>>
> Now your store systems could be on Informix. Your warehouse could be
> using EXE which uses Informix.

Exceed now has an Oracle port due to customer demand.

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse
> distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system
> either.
>

Don't be so sure.

MySQL, Perl, Apache, PHP are all used for online applications. Does that
make it right? Information Technology has evolved, so too have open sores
applications. And with the advent of AJAX apps, toolkits, and the AJAX
trend, many applications formerly thought of as only for jsp or only for
asp are being seriously done in PHP with AJAX. The natural choice
for a lot of this for a Database is MySQL. And many of those young folks that
IBM missed and Informix missed are using MySQL quite seriously, with the
same passion found here for Informix. IBM/Informix have lost that generation,
and will never get it--they don't have the mental horsepower to understand
the LAMP Market, never did, never will. It will be impossible for anyone
here or at IBM to ever get the LAMP market, it just is physically and mentally
impossible for IBM to get anything outside their box. IBM is populated with
too many stupid people that are only interested in the status quo.

And of course I challenge any of you at IBM to prove me wrong. You
won't be able to.

On Jul 5, 2:20 pm, InDeep wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse
> > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system
> > either.
>
> Don't be so sure.
>

Oh I am sure.
We're not talking about an Apropos client with 40 stores (max). We're
talking about a retailer with probably 20+ warehouse distribution
sites, and over 120 stores or more. Not including the specialty
stores.

LAMP doesn't fill that need.

LAMP could realistically fit one area. Store systems.

On a side note. I was in my vet's office the other day. We had the
first appointment for our cat's annual vaccines so when we got there,
they were booting up their systems. Saw something very old and
somewhat familiar. its the spinning "bar" icon.

If memory serves me, its the old SCO icon. Unless there's another OS
that used it during the boot process.

Ian Michael Gumby said:
> On Jul 5, 2:20 pm, InDeep wrote:
>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>> > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse
>> > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system
>> > either.
>>
>> Don't be so sure.
>>
>
> Oh I am sure.
> We're not talking about an Apropos client with 40 stores (max). We're
> talking about a retailer with probably 20+ warehouse distribution
> sites, and over 120 stores or more. Not including the specialty
> stores.
>
> LAMP doesn't fill that need.
>
> LAMP could realistically fit one area. Store systems.

I disagree, having seen a retailer trying to deploy their store systems
using LAMP. As far as I can tell, LAMP is suitable only for proofs of
concept.

But hey! What do I know?

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason
and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your
panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they
promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent,
obedient consent."

On Jul 7, 1:39 am, "Obnoxio The Clown"
wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby said:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 5, 2:20 pm, InDeep wrote:
> >> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> >> > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse
> >> > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system
> >> > either.
>
> >> Don't be so sure.
>
> > Oh I am sure.
> > We're not talking about an Apropos client with 40 stores (max). We're
> > talking about a retailer with probably 20+ warehouse distribution
> > sites, and over 120 stores or more. Not including the specialty
> > stores.
>
> > LAMP doesn't fill that need.
>
> > LAMP could realistically fit one area. Store systems.
>
> I disagree, having seen a retailer trying to deploy their store systems
> using LAMP. As far as I can tell, LAMP is suitable only for proofs of
> concept.
>
> But hey! What do I know?
>
> --
Well you "knew" enough to get out of Cape Town. ;-)

I don't disagree with your assessment. There's more to LAMP that most
people think. And if you know what you are doing, you could use it to
build a POS system, aka a Store system. (Its really a combo between
POS and local Inventory control. The issue is that you tend to lose
the need for Apache and PHP when you do the POS system which could be
specialized software apps which are probably going to be more
efficient. Especially when you consider controlling the cash draw, bar
code / RFID code scanner, etc ...

But I've seen people put on the rose colored glasses and not think
about what they were doing and were more infatuated that they knew the
knew technology and that they could "invent" a web 2.0 solution. The
only real difficulty of having a specialized app developed would be
deployment. And even there, there are ways of making it easier.

Ian Michael Gumby said:
> Well you "knew" enough to get out of Chicago. ;-)

Damn straight! >

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio

"There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason
and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your
panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they
promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent,
obedient consent."

On Jul 7, 3:56 pm, DA Morgan wrote:
[SNIP[

What the snot are you talking about?

You're a piece of work who's not even a good Oracle Hack.

If you're going to join the discussion, then talk about something on
topic.
Note that Sears or Wal*Mart, HomeDepot etc are ever going to be an
Oracle shop. Hell, I'm working at an Oracle shop and you should hear
some of the complaints.
Oh the stories I could say, but you're going to have to wait at least
3 months and then 6months after. (For some reason they keep extending
my contract. Maybe its because I can actually write code? I guess the
day I can't, I'll teach. ;-)

The point is that K-Sears put up a job offering looking for a senior
architect that groks LAMP. Now if you know anything about retail.
(Which you don't), And if you know anything about the players at K-
Sears (Which you don't) Then you'd have to wonder why they want a LAMP
architect and why they want one downtown and not at Hoffman Estates.

Hey Daniel, I heard that the govt of Zimbabwe wanted to get out of
Agriculture and try and become the next high tech area in Africa.
They're looking for a couple of good Oracle teachers to help jump
start their program. Why don't you give them a call? Remember to put
down the ZANPU-PF party as a bunch of hooligans. ;-)

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> On Jul 7, 3:56 pm, DA Morgan wrote:
> [SNIP[
>
> What the snot are you talking about?
>
> You're a piece of work who's not even a good Oracle Hack.
>
> If you're going to join the discussion, then talk about something on
> topic.
> Note that Sears or Wal*Mart, HomeDepot etc are ever going to be an
> Oracle shop. Hell, I'm working at an Oracle shop and you should hear
> some of the complaints.
> Oh the stories I could say, but you're going to have to wait at least
> 3 months and then 6months after. (For some reason they keep extending
> my contract. Maybe its because I can actually write code? I guess the
> day I can't, I'll teach. ;-)
>
> The point is that K-Sears put up a job offering looking for a senior
> architect that groks LAMP. Now if you know anything about retail.
> (Which you don't), And if you know anything about the players at K-
> Sears (Which you don't) Then you'd have to wonder why they want a LAMP
> architect and why they want one downtown and not at Hoffman Estates.
>
> Hey Daniel, I heard that the govt of Zimbabwe wanted to get out of
> Agriculture and try and become the next high tech area in Africa.
> They're looking for a couple of good Oracle teachers to help jump
> start their program. Why don't you give them a call? Remember to put
> down the ZANPU-PF party as a bunch of hooligans. ;-)

Ok so Nordstrom isn't retail. I'll remember that.
Ok so Amazon.com isn't retail. I'll remember that too.

One of these days you are, hopefully, going to puzzle out the
difference between attitude and aptitude.

I know enough about LAMP to know that you are out of your
element making the statements you are making. It isn't about
Oracle ... The only person that mentioned it was you.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan-at-x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)