Re: SIS: Talk about a shift in partners...

On Aug 25, 6:32*pm, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" wrote:
>
> > Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
> > to go with peoplesoft?
>
> > After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenue to
> > go elsewhere?
>
> Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a platform that
> will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns Peoplesoft,
> its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base database, unless
> of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what the
> customer knows.

Gumball -

I was a question:

1. how long did you work at IBM?
2. how long did you work at Informix?

Which all this knowledge of how IBM and Informix do business in
industry, I think it must be long time?

Splintter

On Aug 25, 7:46 pm, splint...@ymail.com wrote:
> On Aug 25, 6:32 pm, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
> > On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" wrote:
>
> > > Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
> > > to go with peoplesoft?
>
> > > After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenue to
> > > go elsewhere?
>
> > Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a platform that
> > will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns Peoplesoft,
> > its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base database, unless
> > of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what the
> > customer knows.
>
> Gumball -
>
> I was a question:
>
> 1. how long did you work at IBM?
> 2. how long did you work at Informix?
>
> Which all this knowledge of how IBM and Informix do business in
> industry, I think it must be long time?
>
> Splintter

The Gumball comment outs Splintter....
LOL

Dude, I've spent enough time in both to know how they operate. And
unlike an IT Specialist, I owned paper.

On Aug 25, 9:05*pm, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> On Aug 25, 7:46 pm, splint...@ymail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 25, 6:32 pm, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" wrote:
>
> > > > Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
> > > > to go with peoplesoft?
>
> > > > After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenueto
> > > > go elsewhere?
>
> > > Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a platform that
> > > will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns Peoplesoft,
> > > its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base database, unless
> > > of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what the
> > > customer knows.
>
> > Gumball -
>
> > I was a question:
>
> > 1. how long did you work at IBM?
> > 2. how long did you work at Informix?
>
> > Which all this knowledge of how IBM and Informix do business in
> > industry, I think it must be long time?
>
> > Splintter
>
> The Gumball comment outs Splintter....
> LOL
>
> Dude, I've spent enough time in both to know how they operate. And
> unlike an IT Specialist, I owned paper.

Paper? In your person, perhaps "toilette paper" would be right type?

Can you not answer questions? How long = "long enough?"

Splintter-Want-to-Know

In SQL it would be something like

SELECT it_worker , cost, developing_nation
from offshore
where cost < usa_worker
and professional_service_margin > 50
and rape_customer = 'Y'
and offshore_exploitation_potential in ( 'HIGH' , 'EXPLOSIVE' , 'WET DREAM' )
and software_project like "O%"
and ( h1b_papers_completed = 'Y' or l1_papers = 'Y' )
order by cost, developing_nation


Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" wrote:
>
>> Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
>> to go with peoplesoft?
>>
>> After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenue to
>> go elsewhere?
>
> Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a platform that
> will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns Peoplesoft,
> its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base database, unless
> of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what the
> customer knows.
>
>

InDeep wrote:
> In SQL it would be something like
>
> SELECT it_worker , cost, developing_nation
> from offshore
> where cost < usa_worker
> and professional_service_margin > 50
> and rape_customer = 'Y'
> and offshore_exploitation_potential in ( 'HIGH' , 'EXPLOSIVE' , 'WET DREAM' )
> and software_project like "O%"
> and ( h1b_papers_completed = 'Y' or l1_papers = 'Y' )
> order by cost, developing_nation
>
>

I'm surprised that Morgan the ACE Director hasn't been along to tell us
about Dice and Oracle jobs yet. Did you know that ACE Directors sign up
to be an official Oracle shill? It does rather call "academic
impartiality" into question.

http://www.oracle.com/technology/com...ace/index.html says:
"Oracle ACE Directors work more closely and formally with Oracle in
terms of their community activity."

I did read the entire website and didn't find any requirement for
pompousness. That must be Daniel's own contribution.

--
Cheers,
Obnoxio the Clown

http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:07:26 +0100
> From: obnoxio-at-serendipita.com

>
> I'm surprised that Morgan the ACE Director hasn't been along to tell us
> about Dice and Oracle jobs yet. Did you know that ACE Directors sign up
> to be an official Oracle shill? It does rather call "academic
> impartiality" into question.
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/com...ace/index.html says:
> "Oracle ACE Directors work more closely and formally with Oracle in
> terms of their community activity."
>
> I did read the entire website and didn't find any requirement for
> pompousness. That must be Daniel's own contribution.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Obnoxio the Clown
>

LOL...
I don't think you have the issue of "academic impartiality" since the 'course' Daniel 'teaches' is a continuing education course and it specifically states Oracle in the title.

Sort of like going to your local community college and taking a course entitled: "Learning to master Photoshop" or ,"Mastering Digital Photography using Photoshop".
Clearly the course involves teaching a single product and not photography in general.

-G

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I'm rather disappointed that you comment on Daniel when he wasn't even here!

:-(

Rather I would have had you help me with my SQL!

*<8o)

Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> InDeep wrote:
>> In SQL it would be something like
>>
>> SELECT it_worker , cost, developing_nation
>> from offshore
>> where cost < usa_worker
>> and professional_service_margin > 50
>> and rape_customer = 'Y'
>> and offshore_exploitation_potential in ( 'HIGH' , 'EXPLOSIVE' ,
>> 'WET DREAM' )
>> and software_project like "O%"
>> and ( h1b_papers_completed = 'Y' or l1_papers = 'Y' )
>> order by cost, developing_nation
>>
>>
>
> I'm surprised that Morgan the ACE Director hasn't been along to tell us
> about Dice and Oracle jobs yet. Did you know that ACE Directors sign up
> to be an official Oracle shill? It does rather call "academic
> impartiality" into question.
>
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/com...ace/index.html says:
> "Oracle ACE Directors work more closely and formally with Oracle in
> terms of their community activity."
>
> I did read the entire website and didn't find any requirement for
> pompousness. That must be Daniel's own contribution.
>

No Jerry,

You misunderstood.

We're talking about new customers to Peoplesoft, not existing Peoplesoft customers.

LETS BE CLEAR. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NEW CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CONSIDERINGPEOPLESOFT NOT EXISTING IDS or DB2 CUSTOMERS.

Sorry to shout, but reading is fundamental.

The point was if a customer was to look at Peoplesoft, which backend would the sales rep push? Which would interest the customer the most.
If the customer is not an IDS or DB2 shop, then the rep would push Oracle.. The customer would lean towards Oracle since its the same database as thecompany that owns Peoplesoft so you know that you will always have the latest version of the database supported by peoplesoft.

-G


> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:06:29 -0700
> From: bigdaddyjerry-at-yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: SIS: Talk about a shift in partners...
> To: informix-list-at-iiug.org; im_gumby-at-hotmail.com
>
> You've been out of Sales for awhile haven't you Gumby....What you stated isn't anything like the real world.
>
> We've had Oracle in our shop for awhile doing a major PeopleSoft upgrade and no one from Oracle or the 3rd party consulting group is pushing anything on us.
>
> They have no problem with us running Informix and they aren't having any problems certifying Informix.
>
> They're just happy to have our business.
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/25/08, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
> > From: Ian Michael Gumby
> > Subject: Re: SIS: Talk about a shift in partners...
> > To: informix-list-at-iiug.org
> > Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:32 PM
> > On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the
> > primary database
> > > to go with peoplesoft?
> > >
> > > After all it is the same company so why would they
> > want the revenue to
> > > go elsewhere?
> >
> > Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a
> > platform that
> > will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns
> > Peoplesoft,
> > its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base
> > database, unless
> > of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what
> > the
> > customer knows.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Informix-list mailing list
> > Informix-list-at-iiug.org
> > http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
>
>
>

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On Aug 26, 8:38*am, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:07:26 +0100
> > From: obno...@serendipita.com
>
> > I'm surprised that Morgan the ACE Director hasn't been along to tell us
> > about Dice and Oracle jobs yet. Did you know that ACE Directors sign up
> > to be an official Oracle shill? It does rather call "academic
> > impartiality" into question.
>
> >http://www.oracle.com/technology/com...ndex.htmlsays:
> > "Oracle ACE Directors work more closely and formally with Oracle in
> > terms of their community activity."
>
> > I did read the entire website and didn't find any requirement for
> > pompousness. That must be Daniel's own contribution.
>
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Obnoxio the Clown
>
> LOL...
> I don't think you have the issue of "academic impartiality" since the 'course' Daniel 'teaches' is a continuing education course and it specificallystates Oracle in the title.
>
> Sort of like going to your local community college and taking a course entitled: "Learning to master Photoshop" or ,"Mastering Digital Photography using Photoshop".
> Clearly the course involves teaching a single product and not photographyin general.
>
> -G
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/

Gumball -

I still work IBM. And unlike you, I not fired from Informix and IBM.
Fellow workers in this part of country know how you left of IBM. And
they all agree it wasn't choice of you.

I ask again - how long at IBM? How long at Informix? Most writer here
have many year at either or both companies, and would speak this with
no problem. I look around and see if I find resume' for you since
every writer know who you are.

One more time - answer questions? Oh - one more wonder - did you spend
this much time write here on this newsgroup when you were at IBM or
Informix?

Splintter

splintter-at-ymail.com wrote:
> On Aug 26, 8:38 am, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:07:26 +0100
>>> From: obno...@serendipita.com
>>> I'm surprised that Morgan the ACE Director hasn't been along to tell us
>>> about Dice and Oracle jobs yet. Did you know that ACE Directors sign up
>>> to be an official Oracle shill? It does rather call "academic
>>> impartiality" into question.
>>> http://www.oracle.com/technology/com...ndex.htmlsays:
>>> "Oracle ACE Directors work more closely and formally with Oracle in
>>> terms of their community activity."
>>> I did read the entire website and didn't find any requirement for
>>> pompousness. That must be Daniel's own contribution.
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Obnoxio the Clown
>> LOL...
>> I don't think you have the issue of "academic impartiality" since the 'course' Daniel 'teaches' is a continuing education course and it specifically states Oracle in the title.
>>
>> Sort of like going to your local community college and taking a course entitled: "Learning to master Photoshop" or ,"Mastering Digital Photography using Photoshop".
>> Clearly the course involves teaching a single product and not photography in general.
>>
>> -G
>>
>> __________________________________________________ _______________
>> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be—learn how to burn a DVD with Windows®.http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/
>
> Gumball -
>
> I still work IBM. And unlike you, I not fired from Informix and IBM.
> Fellow workers in this part of country know how you left of IBM. And
> they all agree it wasn't choice of you.
>
> I ask again - how long at IBM? How long at Informix? Most writer here
> have many year at either or both companies, and would speak this with
> no problem. I look around and see if I find resume' for you since
> every writer know who you are.
>
> One more time - answer questions? Oh - one more wonder - did you spend
> this much time write here on this newsgroup when you were at IBM or
> Informix?
>
> Splintter

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