Re: SIS: Talk about a shift in partners...

On Aug 22, 10:31 am, Jerry Hamilton wrote:
> dunno who's in bed with who but...
>
> Oracle has done a great job of in recent months certifying IDS with PeopleSoft.
>
> Oracle plans to certify FIN 9.0 on IDS 11.1 in the next couple of months and IDS 11.5 by the end of the year.
>
> These IDS / PS certifications have generally been a major pain in the rear in recent years. Not too tuff anymore.
>
> Hats off to Oracle and IBM.
>

Funny, but one has to ask... supporting IDS keeps current PeopleSoft
customers happy.
But how many Oracle PeopleSoft reps promote IDS as the platform of
choice?

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> On Aug 22, 10:31 am, Jerry Hamilton wrote:
>
>> dunno who's in bed with who but...
>>
>> Oracle has done a great job of in recent months certifying IDS with PeopleSoft.
>>
>> Oracle plans to certify FIN 9.0 on IDS 11.1 in the next couple of months and IDS 11.5 by the end of the year.
>>
>> These IDS / PS certifications have generally been a major pain in the rear in recent years. Not too tuff anymore.
>>
>> Hats off to Oracle and IBM.
>>
>>
>
> Funny, but one has to ask... supporting IDS keeps current PeopleSoft
> customers happy.
> But how many Oracle PeopleSoft reps promote IDS as the platform of
> choice?
>
>

Those selfish Oracle cunts, eh? Imagine if Informix owned PeopleSoft and
someone on CDOS asked "how many Informix PeopleSoft reps promote Oracle
as the platform of choice?" You'd laugh them out of the building.

Here's a half-full glass of water, Gumby. Look at it and tell me what
you see. What's that you say? It's half-empty?

Jesus, get a ****ing grip. They're not promoting DB2 or MySQL either,
you know.

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http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

On Aug 22, 1:59*pm, Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> > On Aug 22, 10:31 am, Jerry Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> dunno who's in bed with who but...
>
> >> Oracle has done a great job of in recent months certifying IDS with PeopleSoft.
>
> >> Oracle plans to certify FIN 9.0 on IDS 11.1 in the next couple of months and IDS 11.5 by the end of the year.
>
> >> These IDS / PS certifications have generally been a major pain in the rear in recent years. *Not too tuff anymore.
>
> >> Hats off to Oracle and IBM.
>
> > Funny, but one has to ask... supporting IDS keeps current PeopleSoft
> > customers happy.
> > But how many Oracle PeopleSoft reps promote IDS as the platform of
> > choice?
>
> Those selfish Oracle cunts, eh? Imagine if Informix owned PeopleSoft and
> someone on CDOS asked "how many Informix PeopleSoft reps promote Oracle
> as the platform of choice?" You'd laugh them out of the building.
>
> Here's a half-full glass of water, Gumby. Look at it and tell me what
> you see. What's that you say? It's half-empty?
>
> Jesus, get a ****ing grip. They're not promoting DB2 or MySQL either,
> you know.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Obnoxio the Clown
>
> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

Being a relative newbie to this newsgroup, my impression is that Gumby
has always "had a grip"...just not on anything of substantial
substance or SIZE. (Wonder what he does with his OTHER hand and 3
fingers)...does anyone wonder if Gumball has any clients? He writes so
much out here that one would wonder.

Splintter - Informix-from-Oracle transplantee

its 7 or 8 years since the acquistion

IDS is still here and has been significantly enhanced in the last few
years

There IM sales leaders responsible for who have responisbility for the
growth of the Informix business worldwide

Informix has never been attractive to hardware sales people, be it
IBM, Sun, Fujitsu ICL Siemens or whoever

Informix has always done well in the embedded apps market as the
reduced hardware costs make their solutions more affordable

That is still the case today

When does this big bad IBM stop?

Oracle is a major business partner not just for IBM hardware but also
for Information Management. FileNet and Cognos have significant
deployed bases on Oracle. Perhaps this has an impact on the
Peoplesoft / Informix ports, you scratch our back and we'll scratch
your?

IBM will not stop partnering with Oracle, be it hardware, software or
services work.

That will not stop the Informix sales leaders continuing to promote
Informix and selling Informix when it is appropriate, typically as an
embedded app in the SMB space.

Yes mistakes have been made. Decisions were made that were they to be
made today may not have had the same outcome. But thats history now,
is it not time to move on and embrace this brave new world, where IBMs
partners in one space are their competitors in another space?

splintter-at-ymail.com wrote:
> On Aug 22, 1:59 pm, Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
>> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>>> On Aug 22, 10:31 am, Jerry Hamilton wrote:
>>>> dunno who's in bed with who but...
>>>> Oracle has done a great job of in recent months certifying IDS with PeopleSoft.
>>>> Oracle plans to certify FIN 9.0 on IDS 11.1 in the next couple of months and IDS 11.5 by the end of the year.
>>>> These IDS / PS certifications have generally been a major pain in the rear in recent years. Not too tuff anymore.
>>>> Hats off to Oracle and IBM.
>>> Funny, but one has to ask... supporting IDS keeps current PeopleSoft
>>> customers happy.
>>> But how many Oracle PeopleSoft reps promote IDS as the platform of
>>> choice?
>> Those selfish Oracle cunts, eh? Imagine if Informix owned PeopleSoft and
>> someone on CDOS asked "how many Informix PeopleSoft reps promote Oracle
>> as the platform of choice?" You'd laugh them out of the building.
>>
>> Here's a half-full glass of water, Gumby. Look at it and tell me what
>> you see. What's that you say? It's half-empty?
>>
>> Jesus, get a ****ing grip. They're not promoting DB2 or MySQL either,
>> you know.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Obnoxio the Clown
>>
>> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com
>
> Being a relative newbie to this newsgroup, my impression is that Gumby
> has always "had a grip"...just not on anything of substantial
> substance or SIZE. (Wonder what he does with his OTHER hand and 3
> fingers)...does anyone wonder if Gumball has any clients? He writes so
> much out here that one would wonder.
>
> Splintter - Informix-from-Oracle transplantee

Welcome

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

On 22 Aug, 18:59, Obnoxio The Clown wrote:
> Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> > On Aug 22, 10:31 am, Jerry Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> dunno who's in bed with who but...
>
> >> Oracle has done a great job of in recent months certifying IDS with PeopleSoft.
>
> >> Oracle plans to certify FIN 9.0 on IDS 11.1 in the next couple of months and IDS 11.5 by the end of the year.
>
> >> These IDS / PS certifications have generally been a major pain in the rear in recent years. *Not too tuff anymore.
>
> >> Hats off to Oracle and IBM.
>
> > Funny, but one has to ask... supporting IDS keeps current PeopleSoft
> > customers happy.
> > But how many Oracle PeopleSoft reps promote IDS as the platform of
> > choice?
>
> Those selfish Oracle cunts, eh? Imagine if Informix owned PeopleSoft and
> someone on CDOS asked "how many Informix PeopleSoft reps promote Oracle
> as the platform of choice?" You'd laugh them out of the building.
>
> Here's a half-full glass of water, Gumby. Look at it and tell me what
> you see. What's that you say? It's half-empty?
>
> Jesus, get a ****ing grip. They're not promoting DB2 or MySQL either,
> you know.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Obnoxio the Clown
>
> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This is the point, isn't it obvious they would migrate people using
those products to use oracle as the database.

That is using one market to get leverage in another and surely anti-
competitive for a company the size of oracle
especially as they then dropped Informix as a supported database for
peoplesoft?

How was Oracle allowed to buy peoplesoft, jd edwards?

> From: david-at-smooth1.co.uk> > How was Oracle allowed to buy peoplesoft, jd edwards?
Because there are competitors like SAP, BAAN, LAWSON, etc ...
And the action of SAP and LAWSON dropping IDS support is independent of Oracle's actions and outside of their control.

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> From: domusonline-at-gmail.com> > Being a relative newbie to this newsgroup, my impression is that Gumby> > has always "had a grip"...just not on anything of substantial> > substance or SIZE. (Wonder what he does with his OTHER hand and 3> > fingers)...does anyone wonder if Gumball has any clients? He writes so> > much out here that one would wonder.> > > > Splintter - Informix-from-Oracle transplantee> > Welcome > > -- > Fernando Nunes

Ah splinter. Must be talking about size when he came up with that name.
Don't worry, theres been a lot of improvements in the augmentation department. (I'm sure Serge could help you out with a referral to a good cosmeticsurgeon...)


If I were to talk about substance on a couple of topics, I'm sure I'd runthe risk of a lawsuit from IBM. ;-)

I save my more technical conversations for one on one conversations. (Its more to the fact that I know the technical level of my audience.)


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On 25 Aug, 16:24, Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
> > From: da...@smooth1.co.uk> > How was Oracle allowed to buy peoplesoft, jd edwards?
>
> Because there are competitors like SAP, BAAN, LAWSON, etc ...
> And the action of SAP and LAWSON dropping IDS support is independent of Oracle's actions and outside of their control.
>
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Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
to go with peoplesoft?

After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenue to
go elsewhere?

On Aug 25, 4:31 pm, "da...@smooth1.co.uk" wrote:

> Do the peoplesoft sales team recommend oracle as the primary database
> to go with peoplesoft?
>
> After all it is the same company so why would they want the revenue to
> go elsewhere?

Most likely. After all, customers worry about choosing a platform that
will be supported in future releases. Since Oracle owns Peoplesoft,
its logical that the rep will push Oracle as the base database, unless
of course the customer is a DB2 shop, then you go with what the
customer knows.