XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road

In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says...

>> Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time
>> IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an
>> Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never
>> learned the lesson.
>>
>
>IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my

sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you.

>Why do you even care? Are you some kind of IBM apologist?

well it's my turn to ask. Why do you care when you don't even
work with informix. Excuse me, are you under any medication for bi-polar
syndrome. On one side you rant about the imminent demise
of informix, on the other you write that informix will never
improve and you were glad to get out of it. Man, u need to see a Shrink NOW.

Sherlock Holmes wrote:
> Hey, you missed the real point
>
> I wrote:-
>
> "and you think your way of engaging IBM (posting as an anonymous runt every 3
> months with a new nick) is going to work. if yes, then you are a bigger idiot
> than you have presented yourself so far."
>
> Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time
> IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an
> Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never
> learned the lesson.
>
> I am deleting the rest of your insanity plea.
> It is not something which you have not already
> told 1000 times before.
>
> it is sad state of cdi where the top 3 posters
> this month are top 3 trolls.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....informix/about
>

Hey, why drag me into this ****?

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> From: indeep-at-indeep.com

> We'll talk again in 10 years, and I'll be retired off of a better business
> career without IBM or Informix. Informix never had a chance no matter how
> good it was. In 10 years anything Informix had going for it will not matter
> anymore anyway. C'est la vie. The dolts will have long left IBM and there
> won't be any more said about it, other than old men knowing about a really
> missed opportunity. And that will be that.
>

LOL!

I should say fortunately, IDS will be around. Not in any real part to thedolts who are in Product Management or Product Marketing at this time.

All I can say is that when I was ready to fly out and make a presentation to show them the numbers, they were too busy.
IMHO, they bought in to the idea that a database is a commodity. Probablytrue, just like a car is a commodity. Yet see how many different brands and models exist for such a homogenized commodity.

Anyways, the latest round of sock puppets don't know jack.

I did more to help IBM break into some white space in Brooklyn, while commuting between Chicago and S.C.

I wonder if Splinter is Bernie Spang. You know, the IBM spokesperson who will only give IDS a "backhanded" complement and praise DB2 at the same time. He must have been one of Janet's hand picked "boyz" because from an IDS person' s view, he's put hit foot in his mouth far too many times.

You should see his quotes about IBM's geodetic stuff. Priceless.

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Sherlock Holmes wrote:
> In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says...
>
>>> Does it ring a bell?? Do you remember the time
>>> IBM told you to shut up if you want to see an
>>> Informix port to Linux. Looks like you never
>>> learned the lesson.
>>>
>> IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my
>
> sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you.
>

Informix didn't tell me to do anything. You need to get your
facts straight. Informix was pretty much filled with a lot of
arrogant people that had no clue about Linux and how it was
going to change everything. They hardly communicated with me
at all. It was the goddam IIUG that had issues with me back
then, and wanted to make sure _they_ were going to get credit
for the whole push. In fact if I hadn't showed up at the conference
in Seattle the IIUG would have done everything to make sure that I
had never been mentioned and that their chief suckups would have
been awarded all manor of congratulatory cheer for doing nothing.
So before you go off with your spew you really should get your
facts straight. You were still in diapers back then so I hardly
get your indignation.

>> Why do you even care? Are you some kind of IBM apologist?
>
> well it's my turn to ask. Why do you care when you don't even
> work with informix. Excuse me, are you under any medication for bi-polar
> syndrome. On one side you rant about the imminent demise
> of informix, on the other you write that informix will never
> improve and you were glad to get out of it. Man, u need to see a Shrink NOW.
>

First of all how do you know what I work with? Who the **** are you
to decide whether or not I'm 'worthy' to talk here? Who the **** are YOU
to tell me what to do? It's not like you're some kind of contributor here
with anything. You post occasionally with a line or two of badly constructed
thought and think that you rank as some kind of authority. While you were
in diapers back in your home country I was already working with Informix,
HERE IN THE US, so I really don't think I need to justify **** to you.
I don't see any contribution of code or tools from you, or any discussion
at all from you other than attacking me. So...

If you don't like what I say, IGNORE ME you stupid ****.

I'm done with this thread, and you Ravi.

In article , InDeep says...

>First of all how do you know what I work with?

What??? You are the one to mention it all the time that you
don't work with Informix and these days you are working with
oracle which has given you your best earning potential. You
are the one to say that for the last many years Perl, PHP,
MySQL, DB2 has helped you pay your bills.

Anyhow I am also done with this thread. Apology if you are
offended.

> From: indeep-at-indeep.com
> Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:38:33 -0700
> To: informix-list-at-iiug.org
>
>
>
> Sherlock Holmes wrote:
> > In article <5Aqtk.9741$TH1.9177@fe62.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says....

> >> IBM was not involved in the port to Linux, at least not to my
> >
> > sorry my bad. It was Informix Corp which told you.
> >
>
LOL

I guess Sherlock was there so he knows all.
Yeah, like he's met Dexmier or Finnociao and knows the story.

Or I bet he knew Fraiman, Mentz from Marketing.
Or heck! How about Lloyd as in house counsel.

I'll take an educated guess that he claimed I was "you screwed the pooch dex" and then forced PG to sue to get his identity.
(But that was on a stock chat board.) But dealing with the SEC was another story. ;-)

> Informix didn't tell me to do anything. You need to get your
> facts straight. Informix was pretty much filled with a lot of
> arrogant people that had no clue about Linux and how it was
> going to change everything. They hardly communicated with me
> at all. It was the goddam IIUG that had issues with me back
> then, and wanted to make sure _they_ were going to get credit
> for the whole push. In fact if I hadn't showed up at the conference
> in Seattle the IIUG would have done everything to make sure that I
> had never been mentioned and that their chief suckups would have
> been awarded all manor of congratulatory cheer for doing nothing.
> So before you go off with your spew you really should get your
> facts straight. You were still in diapers back then so I hardly
> get your indignation.
>

Timmy, they weren't there. This is something that you, I, and a couple of the old timers know more than we should talk about.
You shouldn't lose your cool over the sock puppets. Head down to the beach and enjoy the weekend.

-G


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On 27 Aug, 15:52, InDeep wrote:
> Ok, and so what is the point?
>
> If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? *That if
> you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually
> using XPS that you can get the upgrade? * Sorry to rain cynicism on your
> parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything
> other than nice news.
>
> And why would you downshift from XPS to an OLTP engine if the whole
> point to XPS was to offer features you can't do with IDS, such as real
> database clustering. *FWIW I actually was an XPS DBA, so I have a bit
> of experience with the product, probably one of a handful of people on
> the entire planet that actually used it hands-on as a customer. *Another
> great product that nobody knows about.
>
> Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
>
>
>
> > As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
> > lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
> > their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
> > products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
> > so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>
> > Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
> > would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
> > "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
> > 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
> > IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
> > something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
> > customer pay for a port they want).
>
> > So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
> > that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
> > are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
> > I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
> > are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
> > cases.
>
> > IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
> > mark.scran...@xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>
> > Thanks -
> > Mark Scranton
> > Xtivia Inc.
> >www.markscranton.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Also where is the IDS equivalent of DB2 DPF?

Oracle has RAC
DB2 has DPF
Sybase now has Cluster Edition

and Informix has? This is why people I know say Informix is not a
contender for serious systems, it cannot deploy a database
aroudn mulitple hosts.

david-at-smooth1.co.uk wrote:
> On 27 Aug, 15:52, InDeep wrote:
>
>> Ok, and so what is the point?
>>
>> If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? That if
>> you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually
>> using XPS that you can get the upgrade? Sorry to rain cynicism on your
>> parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything
>> other than nice news.
>>
>> And why would you downshift from XPS to an OLTP engine if the whole
>> point to XPS was to offer features you can't do with IDS, such as real
>> database clustering. FWIW I actually was an XPS DBA, so I have a bit
>> of experience with the product, probably one of a handful of people on
>> the entire planet that actually used it hands-on as a customer. Another
>> great product that nobody knows about.
>>
>> Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
>>> lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
>>> their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
>>> products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
>>> so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>>>
>>> Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
>>> would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
>>> "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
>>> 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
>>> IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
>>> something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
>>> customer pay for a port they want).
>>>
>>> So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
>>> that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
>>> are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
>>> I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
>>> are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
>>> cases.
>>>
>>> IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
>>> mark.scran...@xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks -
>>> Mark Scranton
>>> Xtivia Inc.
>>> www.markscranton.com- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>
> Also where is the IDS equivalent of DB2 DPF?
>
> Oracle has RAC
> DB2 has DPF
> Sybase now has Cluster Edition
>
> and Informix has?
SDS?

> This is why people I know say Informix is not a
> contender for serious systems, it cannot deploy a database
> aroudn mulitple hosts.

Haven't you been paying attention? It can do so, it can do so very
easily and it scales as well.

Unlike RAC.

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----- Original Message -----
From:
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Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road


On 27 Aug, 15:52, InDeep wrote:
> Ok, and so what is the point?
>
> If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? That if
> you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually
> using XPS that you can get the upgrade? Sorry to rain cynicism on your
> parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything
> other than nice news.
>
> And why would you downshift from XPS to an OLTP engine if the whole
> point to XPS was to offer features you can't do with IDS, such as real
> database clustering. FWIW I actually was an XPS DBA, so I have a bit
> of experience with the product, probably one of a handful of people on
> the entire planet that actually used it hands-on as a customer. Another
> great product that nobody knows about.
>
> Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
>
>
>
> > As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
> > lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
> > their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
> > products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
> > so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>
> > Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
> > would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
> > "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
> > 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
> > IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
> > something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
> > customer pay for a port they want).
>
> > So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
> > that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
> > are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
> > I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
> > are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
> > cases.
>
> > IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
> > mark.scran...@xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>
> > Thanks -
> > Mark Scranton
> > Xtivia Inc.
> >www.markscranton.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Also where is the IDS equivalent of DB2 DPF?

Oracle has RAC
DB2 has DPF
Sybase now has Cluster Edition

and Informix has? This is why people I know say Informix is not a
contender for serious systems, it cannot deploy a database
aroudn mulitple hosts.


What about Mach 11?

Multiple updateable Shared Disk Secondarys or Multiple updateable Remote Standalone Secondarys?

I think RSS has an edge over RAC because it does not need to share the same storage subsystem and can provide geographical
redundancy.

Andrew

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david-at-smooth1.co.uk wrote:
> Also where is the IDS equivalent of DB2 DPF?
That is XPS... or rather it was "Arrowhead"

> Oracle has RAC
> DB2 has DPF
Apples and Oranges.
If you want to compare you have to compare RAC to DB2 on a Sysplex

Cheers
Serge
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IBM Toronto Lab