XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road

As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
so IDS in most cases will work fine.

Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
"multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
customer pay for a port they want).

So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
cases.

IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
mark.scranton-at-xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.

Thanks -
Mark Scranton
Xtivia Inc.
www.markscranton.com

Ok, and so what is the point?

If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? That if
you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually
using XPS that you can get the upgrade? Sorry to rain cynicism on your
parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything
other than nice news.

And why would you downshift from XPS to an OLTP engine if the whole
point to XPS was to offer features you can't do with IDS, such as real
database clustering. FWIW I actually was an XPS DBA, so I have a bit
of experience with the product, probably one of a handful of people on
the entire planet that actually used it hands-on as a customer. Another
great product that nobody knows about.

Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
> As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
> lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
> their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
> products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
> so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>
> Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
> would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
> "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
> 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
> IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
> something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
> customer pay for a port they want).
>
> So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
> that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
> are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
> I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
> are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
> cases.
>
> IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
> mark.scranton-at-xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>
> Thanks -
> Mark Scranton
> Xtivia Inc.
> www.markscranton.com

Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
> As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
> lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
> their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
> products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
> so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>
> Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
> would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
> "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
> 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
> IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
> something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
> customer pay for a port they want).
>
> So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
> that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
> are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
> I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
> are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
> cases.
>
> IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
> mark.scranton-at-xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>
> Thanks -
> Mark Scranton
> Xtivia Inc.
> www.markscranton.com

I would love to see someone "pay" the other way... Puting more XPS features
into IDS

--
Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

> From: indeep-at-indeep.com> Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:52:41 -0700> To: informix-list-at-iiug.org> > Ok, and so what is the point?> > If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? That if> you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually> using XPS that you can get the upgrade? Sorry to rain cynicism on your> parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything> other than nice news.Sigh.

You can always join the IBM partner club. But you have to *pay* to *play*.

But the better thing to do is to redesign the XPS technology as you add it to IDS.
Things have changed since XPS was written.
There are other conceptual models that you could use to implement a shared nothing parallelized environment.
(Think cloud/grid conceptulalization.)

But that's something I'm not going to discuss here. ;-)
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In article <%Sdtk.5843$Fd6.3272@fe64.usenetserver.com>, InDeep says...

>FWIW I actually was an XPS DBA

So was Tim Schaefer from Florida.

Cloud computing is what it is, all gas.

I'm not talking about ephemeral ethereal nonsense, I'm talking about
getting these products into the hands of people that will actually
set them up, and possibly deploy them. These people don't want to have
to pay to play, in fact they should be paid to play.

Until IBM seeds the IDS market ( not ceded which they already accomplished )
with real products and attractive offers to get involved with IDS ( and not
from the goddam IIUG ) this is a completely academic discussion.

Developers don't care about nonsense, they want something that can meet
their needs, and has the market footing that says "This product is not
going away, and serious companies are using it and market momentum proves
this is not going to be a waste of my time to learn and invest my career
in, and there is evidence of a job market because more and more companies
are using it and saying its a good thing to do". Until you have put up
the investment as a company ( IBM ) in the market to build out the foundation
and footing, IDS will stay a niche product very few people will ever hear
about or care about. My gripe is that it doesn't need to stay this way
and that IDS has every attribute to compete in a wider, broader market.

IBM has not shown that they have anyone competent to get IDS marketed to
the developer community, other than gifting a crippled version out to the
IIUG. This is not marketing, it's just catering to an existing base.

Informix :: The Database With Invisibility Built In

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:
>
>
> > From: indeep-at-indeep.com
> > Subject: Re: XPS to IDS - a positive note for all from the road
> > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:52:41 -0700
> > To: informix-list-at-iiug.org
> >
> > Ok, and so what is the point?
> >
> > If you can't download XPS and play with it, what's the point? That if
> > you were one of the handful of what 2 or 3 customers that are actually
> > using XPS that you can get the upgrade? Sorry to rain cynicism on your
> > parade, it's all nice to hear, but doesn't amount to much of anything
> > other than nice news.
> Sigh.
>
> You can always join the IBM partner club. But you have to *pay* to *play*.
>
> But the better thing to do is to redesign the XPS technology as you add
> it to IDS.
> Things have changed since XPS was written.
> There are other conceptual models that you could use to implement a
> shared nothing parallelized environment.
> (Think cloud/grid conceptulalization.)
>
> But that's something I'm not going to discuss here. ;-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>

And I guess that makes you a ****ing nobody Ravi. You typically post
nothing, and waste every opportunity to say absolutely nothing relevant
to the discussion. You went to the trouble to post, so that you could
fluff your feathers about nothing. Why don't you prove me wrong and
actually ADD to the discussion? WTF do you know about IDS? Do you use
it? I think you're just a nothing nobody with nothing to say, and don't
even use IDS or know anything about it. You're just a big NOTHING.

On Aug 27, 10:53*am, Fernando Nunes wrote:
> Mark Scranton (Xtivia Inc.) wrote:
>
>
>
> > As I had mentioned, I've been doing a number of XPS assignments
> > lately. Good news is that these customers are ALL considering moving
> > their XPS environments to IDS (along with doing POC's against other
> > products). Some of the clients have relatively small XPS environments,
> > so IDS in most cases will work fine.
>
> > Rumor also has it that even though it was stated awhile back that IBM
> > would not make anymore enhancements to XPS, a German bank wanted the
> > "multiple fragments in a single dbspace" feature that came out in IDS
> > 10 to be ported to XPS, and in fact, paid for the port. I have no idea
> > IF this new port will be 8.5.2 or what, but this approach was
> > something that was done at Informix back in the day as well (having a
> > customer pay for a port they want).
>
> > So I encourage those with XPS in house, or those working with clients
> > that fit that description, to strongly consider IDS for a move if they
> > are considering one. There are a few things to consider though first -
> > I'm not saying it just as easy as moving to IDS and all is well. There
> > are functionalities and internals that need to be considered in most
> > cases.
>
> > IF you want more details, please contact me directly at
> > mark.scran...@xtivia.com. Would be glad to answer any questions.
>
> > Thanks -
> > Mark Scranton
> > Xtivia Inc.
> >www.markscranton.com
>
> I would love to see someone "pay" the other way... Puting more XPS features
> into IDS
>
> --
> Fernando Nunes
> Portugal
>
> http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
> My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Many of the XPS features have been, or are being ported to IDS. There
are a couple that a client in PHX is waiting on (about 32TB of data
and growing) and they'll move to IDS. There are also 2 other XPS
clients that are very large w/ XPS as well. The others I've worked
with over the last month are in Chicago and Salt Lake City.

Mark Scranton
Xtivia Inc.
www.markscranton.com

Sphincter while you and Ravi find sport in attacking me or Gumbi, you
miss, like so many of your ilk, to focus your frustration at IBM, who
are the real problem for IDS.

Excuse me now, I have to get back to my Oracle backups and responsibilities.

On Aug 27, 3:48*pm, InDeep wrote:
> Sphincter while you and Ravi find sport in attacking me or Gumbi, you
> miss, like so many of your ilk, to focus your frustration at IBM, who
> are the real problem for IDS.
>
> Excuse me now, I have to get back to my Oracle backups and responsibilities.

InDepth -

Funny - you attack Ravi first. You can judge, but nobody else can.
Tell me - why you can judge others, but demand that others not judge
you? Can you answer one simple question brought on by your own
contradiction? Would love to hear answer. Without a mention of IBM,
your boyfriend, or IDS. Again - simple question for you of incredible
intelligence.

Amaze us -
Splintter