Re: [Info-Ingres] Ingres Code Sprint at UKIUA

"Martin Bowes" wrote in message
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'd like to express my thanks to Emma and all the guys from IngresCorp
> who turned up for the sprint at the UKIUA. It was very generous for Emma
> to pay for the event.

Yes, many thanks to Ingres Corp for putting a hand in the collective pocket.
That can't have been cheap. It is appreciated.

> Furthermore, it was really appreciated that so
> many IngresCorp programmers gave up their time to help us all out. It
> was just fantastic!

That's the bit that astonished me. And they showed every sign of being
cheerful to give up their time.

> We are hoping for more code sprints in future, and will be trying to
> include one before the next conference (2nd Tuesday in June, 2009!).

That's right. Just to be a little more precise, the next IUA conference
will be Tuesday, June 9, 2009 and we will try to get a sprint organized for
the preceding weekend starting Saturday June 6, 2009. Put these dates in
you diary now.

On a related subject we're also hoping to organize what Andrew Ross calls a
boot-camp, probably circa October-ish. I am hoping that we can have two
streams; one for newbies and another for expert newcomers. I suspect Marty
and I feel we fall in the latter category. (We also think we might need to
find a different name for it; "boot-camp" may not carry quite the right
connotations in the UK. Suggestions? One possible name has been rejected
already. "Code in the Communty" is a non-starter.)

> I hope to see more people turn up to the next event, or at least send us
> more ideas.

Me too. There was some not-totally-positive feedback on Emma's blog
regarding this sprint that seemed to be suggesting our focus was excessively
Ingres-centric. Without conceding that I agree that's a bad thing, it would
certainly be great to have more opinions, more ideas, and more coders. What
was accomplished by the small band of coders we had this year tells me a
larger number will produce literally unimaginable results.

> And just for everyones info,. Poor Emma nearly went nuts trying to type
> in all the ideas we threw onto the table,

The ones we didn't get done are going to be posted on the wiki. We can't
let them get away. I guess the ehancement-that-cannot-be-named won't be
posted there, but it was always too big for a wiki anway.

> and was introduced to Ozzie
> expressions such as 'gives me the squirts'.

Oh dear God. I really was hoping that one was unique to you.

Roy

"Roy Hann" wrote in message
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> There was some not-totally-positive feedback on Emma's blog regarding this
> sprint that seemed to be suggesting our focus was excessively
> Ingres-centric.

Achem, I can't imagine who did that.

>Without conceding that I agree that's a bad thing, it would certainly be
>great to have more opinions, more ideas, and more coders. What was
>accomplished by the small band of coders we had this year tells me a larger
>number will produce literally unimaginable results.

I'm impressed by anyone who gives up their time for such sprints and I
understand completely that there are limits to what is acheivable in a
limited time with a limited pool of people, so it wasn't intended as a put
down.

The point was to catch Emmas eye and let her think about where development
effort can best be spent to encourage more widespread use.

There was no intention to belittle the efforts of those involved. I actually
thought my comment was rather more helpful than the debate on female
programmers.

I was pretty dissappointed not to get to the IUA - I was looking forward to
it. Unfortunately one of my clients had a deadline that I couldn't ignore. I
had practiced my heckling and everything. :-(

If there was one thing I'd have suggested for the sprint weekend, it would
have been an XML socket server or similar. Now aren't you glad I wasn't
there? ;-)

Paul

"On Web" wrote in message
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> "Roy Hann" wrote in message
> news:PrednR3gaJFNg8TVRVnyiQA-at-pipex.net...

> I'm impressed by anyone who gives up their time for such sprints and I
> understand completely that there are limits to what is acheivable in a
> limited time with a limited pool of people, so it wasn't intended as a
> put down.

I didn't take it as a put-down, and whoever-it-was who posted the comment
made it clear it wasn't intended to slight our efforts.

> There was no intention to belittle the efforts of those involved. I
> actually thought my comment was rather more helpful than the debate on
> female programmers.

If you're referring to the WSJ blog that claims to quote Emma, Emma does
deny she said those things. But even if she did say them, we all know she's
capable of being whimsical.

> If there was one thing I'd have suggested for the sprint weekend, it would
> have been an XML socket server or similar. Now aren't you glad I wasn't
> there? ;-)

I have no objection to anyone pissing away their own free time on whatever
they think is useful and important. That's what I did. But on a more
serious note, it might be interesting to take a look at what some of the SOA
folk are doing now that they've realized XML is a choke point. It'd be
great if community Ingres could get ahead of *that* curve!

Roy

On Jun 18, 9:36*am, "Roy Hann"
wrote:

> > There was no intention to belittle the efforts of those involved. I
> > actually thought my comment was rather more helpful than the debate on
> > female programmers.
>
> If you're referring to the WSJ blog that claims to quote Emma, Emma does
> deny she said those things. *But even if she did say them, we all know she's
> capable of being whimsical.

Actually, to be clear, I did say something stupid, and it did get
reported in the FT,
and thanks to my friends at slashdot it'll probably appear in my
epitaph. What
I objected to was the mischaracterisation of what I said in the WSJ
blog. I knew I was in
trouble when I read the words "touchy feely" in the WSJ blog. Anyone
who knows me
will know that "maim and torture" is more my style. Ingres
development has long had
rigorous coding standards and its led to code thats easily read,
understood and maintained.
I've resisted the urge to respond to the ~1000 comments, that have
accumulated in various
places as a result of the WSJ blog; in fact Ray Fan has suggested we
get a
new Ingres shirt with /* no comment */ on it as part of another viral
campaign.