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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Kier wrote:

> > I'm curious; please tell us how Linux is better than Solaris (stick to
> > technical arguments).
>
> Why should I?

Given that we're talking about OSes, what other criteria would you use to
determine which one is "better"?

But have it your way: please tell us how Linux is better than Solaris.

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Rich Teer writes:

> Solaris is also free. :-)

Not quite. Only the system plus security patches. That's a little less
then a linux distro with it's ongoing updates / upgrades

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In comp.os.linux.misc Rich Teer wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Kier wrote:
>
>> > I'm curious; please tell us how Linux is better than Solaris (stick to
>> > technical arguments).
>>
>> Why should I?
>
> Given that we're talking about OSes, what other criteria would you use to
> determine which one is "better"?
>
get real- this is usenet: politics/personal preference/rumors/feelings/etc
all trump technical arguments!

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>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>>
>> To these clowns "better" means cheaper.

This bald-faced lie makes your usage of the term "lienux" rather
ironic, troll.

>>Since lienux is free it's infinitely
>> better than anything that costs more than a dollar.

Yet another lie. No surprise there.

For example, being less susceptible to malware and viruses is one area
where Linux is "better" than Windwoes.

Why do trolls lie so much, I wonder? Why do they think that the
stated opinions of a liar carry any weight? Ergo, why bother posting
at all? Most illogical...

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:

> Not quite. Only the system plus security patches. That's a little less
> then a linux distro with it's ongoing updates / upgrades

Fair point, although Solaris upgrades are also free.

Failing that, there's Solaris Express which is released every 2 weeks
or so, and contains all the latest fixes.

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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, stan-at-worldbadminton.com wrote:

> get real- this is usenet: politics/personal preference/rumors/feelings/etc
> all trump technical arguments!

Of course! :-)

I fold. ;-)

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Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>
> To these clowns "better" means cheaper. Since lienux is free it's infinitely
> better than anything that costs more than a dollar.
>
> Technically Solaris blows the doors off of lienux. The only drawbacks are
> limited device support and Solaris requires decent hardware to run well.
> Most of these lienux guys pride themselves on running some lightweight
> distro on a 350Mhz Pentium II that they pulled out of a dumpster. They're
> too cheap to spend money on hardware too.

Crudely put but mostly accurate. Solaris shines on high-end SMP systems.
Linux beats it on commodity hardware. Linux runs on more hardware and
has better support for consumer peripherals, more ported software, more
technical people familiar with it and able to support it (didn't used
to be that way).

There is nothing wrong with using Solaris if thats what you want, but I
don't expect Sun will take back the low end server market from Linux, and
they remain at risk of Linux pushing further up market and eating into
their big multi-cpu server sales.

Thad

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>
> Is there some other criterion you believe is applicable?

Chicks dig the penguin more than that boring Sun logo?
No, really, I'm not kidding.

Thad

On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, chrisv wrote:
> >On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Dr. GroundAxe wrote:
>
> >> To these clowns "better" means cheaper.
>
> This bald-faced lie makes your usage of the term "lienux" rather
> ironic, troll.
>
> >>Since lienux is free it's infinitely
> >> better than anything that costs more than a dollar.
>
> Yet another lie. No surprise there.
>
> For example, being less susceptible to malware and viruses is one area
> where Linux is "better" than Windwoes.
>

Chrisv:

The discussion is Linux vs. Solaris. That was my intention as OP. I
posted in the Linux and Solaris NG. You are he first to mention
Windows.

There are no Windopes in this discussion.

Incidentally, this is my humble opinion:

- Solaris is technically better.
- Linux has much more mass appeal.

-Ramon

On Jun 14, 1:15 pm, Kier wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:44:59 -0700, Bill Waddington wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:00:00 +0100, Kier wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:24:44 +0000, Rich Teer wrote:
>
> >>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Kier wrote:
>
> >>>> Of a lot of hard work by Linus Torvalds and others. You prefer Solaris,
> >>>> that's fine, but don't slag off Linux just because it doesn't suit you.
>
> >>> Agreed so far.
>
> >>>> There's a reason more people use Linux. It's better.
>
> >>> I'm curious; please tell us how Linux is better than Solaris (stick to
> >>> technical arguments).
>
> >>Why should I?
>
> > To inform the conversation, maybe? Sorry, that was silly of me...
>
> Why should technical merit be the only criteria? That was my point.
>
> --
> Kier


Is the infinitely wider availability of applications a technical
argument?

Is the much wider availability of supporting personnel a technical
argument?

Is the Linux vs. Solaris *on the desktop* a technical argument?

I am asking those questions seriously.

-Ramon