What if Sun wrote the Solaris kernel as a drop-in replacement for the Linux kernel?

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:56:37 -0800 floyd-at-apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> CBFalconer wrote:
>>"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
>>> For example, I'd bet that Vista will be the last major
>>> "build a whole new OS" project based on a proprietary
>>> kernel from Microsoft. Another attempt would destroy them...
>>>
>>> As always, interesting times are just ahead!
>>
>>Another? Read the URLs below:
>>
>>--
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>> cbfalconer at maineline dot net
>
> (Please do not put portions of the body of your article
> into the signature!)

That's not the signature. It's delimited with '--', whereas the
signature delimiter is '-- '.

-frank

Frank Cusack wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:56:37 -0800 floyd-at-apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>>"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
>>>> For example, I'd bet that Vista will be the last major
>>>> "build a whole new OS" project based on a proprietary
>>>> kernel from Microsoft. Another attempt would destroy them...
>>>>
>>>> As always, interesting times are just ahead!
>>>
>>>Another? Read the URLs below:
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cbfalconer at maineline dot net
>>
>> (Please do not put portions of the body of your article
>> into the signature!)
>
>That's not the signature. It's delimited with '--', whereas the
>signature delimiter is '-- '.

In the original article it is indeed "-- ", and is indeed delimited
as being a signature.

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Floyd L. Davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd-at-apaflo.com

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:07:44 -0800 floyd-at-apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> Frank Cusack wrote:
>>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:56:37 -0800 floyd-at-apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>>>"Floyd L. Davidson" wrote:
>>>>> For example, I'd bet that Vista will be the last major
>>>>> "build a whole new OS" project based on a proprietary
>>>>> kernel from Microsoft. Another attempt would destroy them...
>>>>>
>>>>> As always, interesting times are just ahead!
>>>>
>>>>Another? Read the URLs below:
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cbfalconer at maineline dot net
>>>
>>> (Please do not put portions of the body of your article
>>> into the signature!)
>>
>>That's not the signature. It's delimited with '--', whereas the
>>signature delimiter is '-- '.
>
> In the original article it is indeed "-- ", and is indeed delimited
> as being a signature.

Ah. Someone's newsreader along the way sucks and strips trailing spaces.

Frank Cusack wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:07:44 -0800 floyd-at-apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
>> Frank Cusack wrote:
>>>That's not the signature. It's delimited with '--', whereas the
>>>signature delimiter is '-- '.
>>
>> In the original article it is indeed "-- ", and is indeed delimited
>> as being a signature.
>
>Ah. Someone's newsreader along the way sucks and strips trailing spaces.

I intentionally run every article that I post through a
filter that trims all trailing white space. It does a
few other things too, such as get rid of certain control
characters and anything with the high bit set and I
don't remember what all now.

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Floyd L. Davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd-at-apaflo.com

"Ramon F Herrera" wrote in message
news:1181864050.692691.240140-at-i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>
> I also wonder why Schwartz didn't even bother to invite Stallman to
> dinner. Perhaps the reason is that Torvalds can rightfully say: "I am
> a pragmatic person" while that word is not in RMS' vocabulary?
>
> "Sun CEO to Torvalds: Let's work together
> Posted by Stephen Shankland
>
> Days after Linus Torvalds discussed the possibilities of Linux and
> Solaris joining forces as open-source projects, Sun Microsystems Chief
> Executive Jonathan Schwartz has invited the Linux leader to dinner to
> allay his suspicions about Sun's motives."


Here's what would happen, lienux would no longer suck eggs. Problem with
lienux is that it's a damn hack compared to a real nix OS like Solaris.

"Linux, it's the Windows ME of the Unix world." - aint that the truth.

Dr. Shlongwell wrote:

>
> "Ramon F Herrera" wrote in message
> news:1181864050.692691.240140-at-i13g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> I also wonder why Schwartz didn't even bother to invite Stallman to
>> dinner. Perhaps the reason is that Torvalds can rightfully say: "I am
>> a pragmatic person" while that word is not in RMS' vocabulary?
>>
>> "Sun CEO to Torvalds: Let's work together
>> Posted by Stephen Shankland
>>
>> Days after Linus Torvalds discussed the possibilities of Linux and
>> Solaris joining forces as open-source projects, Sun Microsystems Chief
>> Executive Jonathan Schwartz has invited the Linux leader to dinner to
>> allay his suspicions about Sun's motives."
>
>
> Here's what would happen, lienux would no longer suck eggs. Problem with
> lienux is that it's a damn hack compared to a real nix OS like Solaris.
>
> "Linux, it's the Windows ME of the Unix world." - aint that the truth.

That was daft. You have a fair point that could have been expanded on, many
would have disagreed, but there was good basis for both sides of the
argument. But then you wrap it in typical mindless tosh and so reduce the
chances of people joining your sub-thread.

It might have been fair, for example, to say that Solaris being a much more
direct decendant of recent UNIX was in fact a good place from which to
reassess Linux's place. Would it be right for Solaris to become Linux or
Linux to become Solaris, or is it in fact much better to have both.

Others would have taken the view that as Solaris is really targeted for mid
to high end, then it's place on the desktop is likely to be limited. Or if
not limited, it certainly wouldn't be valid to have the kernel setup for a
mid to high end server in a home PC. But then might it make a better
desktop for the workplace than Linux. Of all the things that Sun do well,
workstations have to be very near top of the list.

Two examples from the potentially huge range of topics/sub-topics that could
come from a discussion of Linux and Solaris.

If you could miss out the dross from your posts you may well invoke better
discussions. Goodness knows this news group could do with some of that.

One objective differentiator is that Solaris has Posix conformance
while Linux does not. That supposes of course that anyone cares
about this particular standard. But if one does, there it is.

Stan

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Stan Bischof ("stan" at the below domain)
www.worldbadminton.com

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Casper H.S. Dik wrote:

> Milan Babuskov writes:
>
> >Ramon F Herrera wrote:
> >> Days after Linus Torvalds discussed the possibilities of Linux and
> >> Solaris joining forces as open-source projects, Sun Microsystems Chief
> >> Executive Jonathan Schwartz has invited the Linux leader to dinner to
> >> allay his suspicions about Sun's motives."
>
> >I believe that the only problem Sun has is that they didn't foresee
> >Linux coming and they wish they made Solaris open source 10 years ago
> >and have the position Linux is holding right now. They are trying to get
> >there now (a little late) and it's an uphill battle.
>
> And the worst of it is that some people inside Sun knew at the time
> they needed to do this ....

Hehe, dont I know it...

I was more or less laughed at in January 1995 at my Sun New-Hire Class
when I answered the question...

"Which five OS'es will be the big ones in ten years?"

with Windows, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX and Linux

A lot of former sales people from Digital and HP couldnt belive I
mentioned that garagebuilt hobby OS at that time... funny really
when you recall where they came from


> Casper
> --
> Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related
> to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems.
> Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may
> be fiction rather than truth.
>

/Johan A

In comp.os.linux.misc Mr. Johan Andersson wrote:
> I was more or less laughed at in January 1995 at my Sun New-Hire Class
> when I answered the question...
>
> "Which five OS'es will be the big ones in ten years?"
>
> with Windows, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX and Linux
>
Care to prognosticate about the next 10 years?

Only likely candidates I can see for 10 years from now are
Windows and Linux. Anyone care to nominate a third?

Stan
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Stan Bischof ("stan" at the below domain)
www.worldbadminton.com

stan-at-worldbadminton.com writes:


> Only likely candidates I can see for 10 years from now are Windows
> and Linux.

Then you need better glasses.

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